Target Centermass

7/27/2005

“Over There”

Filed under: — Gunner @ 11:07 pm

I’ll admit, I went into tonight’s premier of FX’s Over There with much trepidation. Simply put, I generally don’t trust Hollywood.

More thoughts later, but I’d like to throw out a few initial observations.

  • It just wouldn’t be Hollywood if we didn’t quickly show drug use and racial tension in the ranks
  • “Keep quiet” and “keep down” apparently means little to soldiers
  • One very realistic line from the sergeant during a lull in the action: “Do something useful … eat!”
  • Soldier stereotypes? Check, we got’em
  • Surprisingly questionable portrayal of women in combat. I doubt this will last many episodes
  • Six soldiers loudly sound off down the line and relay back, even though they appear to be less than twenty meters apart (nice spacing tactics, Hollywood, repeatedly)
  • Nice mention of my alma mater Texas A&M
  • Overall, visually good but is air support for a lengthy mosque siege beyond the series budget?
  • Flags on an IED (or mine) on the side of the road?!
  • What’s up with the guy without a kevlar in the IED aftermath?!!

My overall impression: negative. Well, at least Battlestar Galactica‘s position as the best show currently on the tube is safe.

Charmaine Yoest at Reasoned Audacity live-blogged it, as did elgato at the Swanky Conservative.

UPDATE: Well, I’m having a little connectivity issue so, while I’m waiting to actually publish this post, I wanted to point out something. I thought I saw an issue with a tank shown silhouetted on the horizon. During the immediate rebroadcast, the problem was obvious and more clear in another shot where an “M1″ was in the background — obvious mock-up. While pretty good on the turret and body outline (that is, without the ability to pause and really nitpick), apparently there was nothing they could do about the position of the bore evacuator on the gun tube. Gunner no likey! If anybody can nab some screen captures of these few scenes, I’d love to take a further peek.

UPDATE 2: Well, I linked two who live-blogged the show. How about two MilBloggers who intentionally avoided it? For your reading entertainment, Eric explains his avoidance at Eric’s Grumbles Before the Grave and Blackfive‘s commenters weigh in heavily.

14 Responses to ““Over There””

  1. Karlo says:

    I didn’t see this and will probably skip it. It’s been ages since I’ve seen a good war flick (although I did enjoy All’s Quiet on the Western Front and Saving Private Ryan.) Hollywood’s war movies tend to get more and more stereotyped with each passing year.

  2. [...] John at Argghhh! is gathering thoughts from Milbloggers on last night’s Over There. Gunner, at Target Centermass is less impressed than I was. (Not that I was much impressed at all.) I wondered about this last night. Would those who are not-too-long out of the saddle from the Army be favorable to the show? So far, the answer is no, though nobody’s flaming it yet. [...]

  3. Live-Blogging “Over There”

    “Over There” tonight at 10 EST. The new television series about the Iraq war. I’m skeptical. So I’ve decided to live-blog it. If you’re watching, too, send comments. *** 2201 Sex in the kitchen for starters? Oooh. That’s subtle….

  4. Eric says:

    Hey, where’s your trackback links at? I wanted to update my commentary on “Over There” to point at your entry, but no trackback link? Here’s my commentary.

  5. elgato says:

    That had to be a mockup for the M1. DOD’s not touching the show with a cattleprod, the show featured a Huey for a medivac, as opposed to a Blackhawk, the transport that hit the IED was an old Brit truck, I think, so I can’t see them getting their hands on a real live Abrams.

    I thought it wasn’t bad, but the more I thought about it, the worse the aftertaste got.

    Cheers! I’m off to Port Aransas for the weekend.

  6. cplgLVEsAVE says:

    Last nights episode had a mock up of a Bradley wth the drivers hatch on the wrong side. Amazing, do they actually have an adviser to tell them this stuff?

  7. Iraqiwarveteran03 says:

    As a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom (22 Oct 02 – 27 Jun 03) I find it insulting that Hollywood would allow the production of a show like this. I served with 4-64 Armor 3D Infantry Division and it is my wish that this show be taken off the air. What we need to make this happen is some sort of a campaign to get it off the air. I also believe it is an insult to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice and those that are still there. Would I go back, Yes in a heartbeat. My email is iraqifreedomveteran03@yahoo.com. Lets get this show off the air.

  8. Bryan says:

    Your wrote: Six soldiers loudly sound off down the line and relay back, even though they appear to be less than twenty meters apart (nice spacing tactics, Hollywood, repeatedly)

    What I want to say is this is what is done in real life in the military and also on SWAT teams. The reason for this is that they neet to hear everybodys voices to know they are there because they cant be looking to see if everybody is there. If they do that then they could get cought off guard and shot. The reason SWAT does it is the same reason and also because the are all looking different directions and cant see everybody and also because they could be spread out to where there in different areas and need to sound off to make sure everybody is okay. Just thought you ought to know that before you critisize.

  9. Gunner says:

    Even though this is an old post, it still seems to be grabbing a few hits. Hence, I wanted to respond to Bryan.

    Yes, your arguments make sense for SWAT teams and the military in urban environments. However, they make little sense for an infantry squad in open terrain facing an isolated, seemingly rural target with an enemy that may possess mortars and other area-targeted weapons, as was the case in this episode. In such a case, tight grouping and noise pollution are a danger, not a tool.

  10. Lance Goodthrust says:

    I thought it was a very good series. I’m sad it was cancelled. To all you negative viewers, what do you want to watch? Will and grace?? Buncha commies!!

  11. emfstep says:

    I would like to know why it was cancelled? I guess some was to close to home. The one thing I did like was the 3rd ID patch, seeing how that was the last patch I wore before I got out. Now I have to find some thing different on TV to watch.

  12. Dave says:

    To be honest I dont really think its fair to criticise a fictional programme for being “unrealistic”, for the simple reason that it isnt real. Hollywood’s goal is to entertain, and I think they did that well. If you want real life, watch a documentary or the news.

  13. Della says:

    I am an overseas viewer and the series has just started here in France. I found the first episode very difficult to watch, but I thought it was a good idea to show what happens during a war. I have never served, so I am curious to know if these stories are based on facts.

  14. Zach says:

    Well I was just wandering if Over There would be back on any time soon, hopefully this year. I really liked the story of the show and found the disturbing images of blood and gore presented pretty much called for since it is happening today in the Middle East. There are many people who I have noticed who do not like the show because they feel the material in the series is too much for viewers and it sends a false message about war. But the fact of the matter is, it is occuring in war today so people should wake up and have a taste of reality. But afterall, it’s only a show so if you have a problem with the show, do what you do on here and talk to people about it, but do not complain and try to set campaigns to kick the show off the air when you can simply change the channel. Please let me know if the show will be back.

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