{"id":1593,"date":"2006-10-03T00:59:43","date_gmt":"2006-10-03T05:59:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/?p=1593"},"modified":"2006-10-03T11:17:26","modified_gmt":"2006-10-03T16:17:26","slug":"on-frist-afghanistan-and-hedged-defeatism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/?p=1593","title":{"rendered":"On Frist, Afghanistan and Hedged Defeatism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist either <a href=\"http:\/\/hotair.com\/archives\/2006\/10\/02\/frist-says-us-cant-win-should-bring-taliban-into-afghan-government\/\">leapt<\/a> into the defeatist camp or was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.townhall.com\/blog\/g\/c3b6d35f-d097-40c9-86d5-56e7d06d6a1f\">slightly misquoted<\/a> when discussing our prospects in Afghanistan.  Either way, I&#8217;m already quite fed up ith Frist for the night (see <a href=\"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/?p=1591\">here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/mypetjawa.mu.nu\/\">Jawa Report<\/a>&#8216;s Dr. Rusty <a href=\"http:\/\/mypetjawa.mu.nu\/archives\/184842.php\">opines<\/a> on the matter, and I can&#8217;t say that there&#8217;s much I disagree with in his words and I recommend that the reader peruse them all.  In fact, I have previously stated many of his thoughts already, chief among these being that a large portion of our current problems in Iraq and Afghanistan stem from the fact that we never mercilessly made it clear to our enemies that they were beaten &#8212; at least not in a language that they would understand.<\/p>\n<p>My one withholding of agreement comes from the following from the good Dr. Rusty:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If democracy in the Middle East is a grand experiment, then the null hypothesis has been disproven. No, the majority of Muslim nations are not yet ready for democracy. Give them another hundred years and we&#8217;ll run this experiment again.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It was and still remains a noble experiment, one that may indeed save countless thousands &#8212; realistically even millions or billions &#8212; of lives, so I&#8217;m not as quick to jump ship on the idea.  The Bush administration spoke of a period of many years, possibly decades, and the American people were on board;  then the period of political sniping and media undermining, coupled with an MTv-type attention span by the American public, undercut the viability of a long-war effort.  Unfortunately, the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Long_War_(21st_century)\">Long War<\/a> remains to be fought and none of those who have hampered our efforts have provided legitimate alternatives.  <\/p>\n<p>I have yet to give up hope on the possible seedings of democracy in our current theaters of operations.  Still, I am willing to acknowledge the two alternatives that always stood off-stage ready to enter on cue:  surrender, retreat and eventually sacrifice our hopes for our grandchildren&#8217;s world , or brutally move forward in a barbaric way that the U.N. and our overly-sensitive Euro &#8220;allies&#8221; will hate but has historically proven to be the language understood by enemies.  The latter is especially valid when we are talking about a culture that seems often to <em>only<\/em> understand violence.  Should our current efforts &#8212; grandiose, hopeful for the human spirit and self-limiting in their violent nature &#8212; fail upon the rocks of a reality presented us by our enemies and those who refuse to stand against them, then I will return to my initial reaction after 9\/11.  I will again want blood, and I mean blood in mass quantities.  This time around, though, that want will stem from a calmer notion than revenge;  instead it will stem from a rational approach toward the only remaining means for the survivability of Western civilization as we know and love it.<\/p>\n<p>I just haven&#8217;t thrown in the towel on the nice approach yet.  After that, should it truly fail, then cry havoc and unleash all that phrase bloodily entails.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>There should be nothing agreeable about warfare.  God forbid that I should recommend brutality, but we face facts like men.  It is not a trade for a philosopher.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8212;Prince de Linge, of Austria<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist either leapt into the defeatist camp or was slightly misquoted when discussing our prospects in Afghanistan. Either way, I&#8217;m already quite fed up ith Frist for the night (see here). The Jawa Report&#8216;s Dr. Rusty opines on the matter, and I can&#8217;t say that there&#8217;s much I disagree with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25,4,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1593","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-central-asia","category-politics","category-war-on-terror"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1593","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1593"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1593\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1593"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1593"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/targetcentermass.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1593"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}